If you find yourself bewildered by this moment,
where there's so much reason for despair and so much reason to hope all at the same time, let me say I hear you.
I'm Ezra Klein from New York Times Opinion, host of the Ezra Klein Show.
And for me,
the best way to beat back that bewildered feeling is to talk it out with the people who have ideas and frameworks
for making sense of it.
There is going to be plenty to talk about.
You can find the Ezra Klein Show wherever you get your podcasts.
From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams.
This is The Daily.
Testimonies began this week in one of the most aggressive cases the government has ever brought against a big tech company.
And over the next eight weeks, the Federal Trade Commission will argue that META,
the company founded by Mark Zuckerberg in his college dorm room, should be broken up.
Today,
my colleague Cecilia King on the strange and contentious relationship between Zuckerberg and President Trump that has led to this moment.
And what the case means for both of them.
It's Thursday, April 17.
Cecilia, you are talking to me from your car, I believe.
Why are you talking to me from your car?
Yeah,