Scroungers versus Strivers: the myth of the welfare state

懒汉与奋斗者:福利国家神话

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2021-03-02

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Contributor(s): Professor John Hills | This episode is dedicated to social policy giant Professor Sir John Hills, who died in December 2020. In this episode, John tackles the myth that the welfare state supports a feckless underclass who cost society huge amounts of money. Instead, he sets out a system where most of what we pay in, comes back to us. He describes a generational contract which we all benefit from, varying on our stage of life. His words remain timely after a year of pandemic which has devastated many people’s livelihoods. Many of us have had to rely on state support in ways that we could not have anticipated, perhaps challenging our ideas about what type of person receives benefits in the UK. This episode is based on an interview that John did with James Rattee for the LSE iQ podcast in 2017. It coincided with the LSE Festival which celebrated the anniversary of the publication of the ‘Beveridge Report’ in 1942 - a blueprint for a British universal care system by former LSE Director William Beveridge. Professor Sir John Hills CBE, was Richard Titmuss Professor of Social Policy at LSE and Chair of CASE. His influential work didn’t just critique government policy on poverty and inequality, it changed it. He advised on a wide range of issues including pensions reform, fuel poverty, council housing, income and wealth distribution.   Contributors Professor John Hills   Research Good Times Bad Times: the welfare myth of them and us. Bristol: Policy Press by John Hills (2015)
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  • The use of the word welfare as a pejorative term has been used to dissociate one particular group from the rest of us,

  • to try and conceptualise the idea that there is an underclass who don't pull their weight,

  • who don't try hard enough, who are happy to be, using the quotes,

  • dependent on welfare and really let the rest of us pay for them.

  • I think that's a misunderstanding.

  • But politically it's very effective,

  • politically it allows people to suggest

  • that all the money is disappearing on a small group of people who could work if they really tried.

  • What kind of person relies on welfare in the UK?

  • And if I ask this question at this time last year, would your answer have been any different?

  • I'm talking to you from my small spare room that overlooks Brixton High Road.

  • I've spent the majority of my time here since the pandemic began.

  • The same pandemic that has made all of us rely on state support in ways we hadn't anticipated.

  • And for many of us, has challenged our beliefs about who needs the welfare state and why.

  • When I spoke to the late John Hills in 2017, it was a bright cold December afternoon.

  • John had made his way up to the LSE's media studio, which overlooks central London.

  • As we sat just a meter apart, the engineer checked our levels.

  • How are we doing?

  • Yeah, so yeah, we're all good, we're recording so whenever you're ready.

  • John Hills dedicated his life's work to tackling inequality,