2025-04-09
39 分钟Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.
I'm producer, Mia Sorrenti.
Today's episode is part two of our recent live event with Robert Kaplan for the World in 2025 series.
If you haven't heard part one, do just jump back an episode and get up to speed.
I mean, share your perspective and insight as it were into the change of the nature of of the last four Chinese leaders.
But when you look at Xi Jinping's China, even as it is, as you say,
increasingly a state that is whose organizers are sort of trying to run by the presets of Marxist Leninism,
nonetheless, it is also taking revolutionary steps in technology.
It may be the first electric state effectively, quite something given the size of China's population.
It is also, of course, developing year by year, an ever bigger and better equipped navy and army.
And just this week, there were these exercises around Taiwan,
including a massive Chinese aircraft carrier, Shandong or something.
I mean, could it be actually the case that on this one thing, a focus on China that the Trump administration is right,
that for America, the big issue in terms of its competitor is China, and it needs to prioritize that.
Yeah, no, that's a very fair argument.
But how do you deal with it?
Let me make the case for Joe Biden's foreign policy regarding China,
which I think was very smart and very well executed.
The Biden administration got two historical enemies, Japan and South Korea, to agree to a trade deal,
and more or less dampened down their hostility and allowed them,