Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me,
Laura Cook and Alex Dibble.
The call between Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Donald Trump last week went much more smoothly than their now infamous Oval Office meeting last month.
Zelenskyy emphasized his gratitude and he tried hard not to antagonize Trump any further.
But he still made one important plea for the US to give Ukraine more Patriot air defenses.
The answer, though, wasn't positive.
Trump was reluctant.
And with European stockpiles of Patriot systems depleted,
it's left Ukraine scrambling to keep up its supply of surface to air missiles.
Our guest today is the Times defence correspondent, George Grylls.
George, firstly, tell us a little bit more about the Patriot.
This isn't new technology that Ukraine is after, but it is the most trusted, isn't.
I think Patriot was first designed, the inventor was first looking at it in the 1970s,
so it's really a Cold War piece of kit, but if you look at even the most modern weapons.
So Putin boasted about developing a Kinzhal hypersonic missile,
claimed it was invincible, impossible to shoot down,
and yet Patriot did, in fact, and has on several occasions seemingly shot it down.
So Even though it's 50 years old, it stands up to even the most modern weapons.
And, you know, it's not just Ukraine.