Germany’s landmark defence move

德国的标志性国防举措

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2025-03-21

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In a landmark move, Germany has changed its constitution to spend more on defence. The man who is set to be the new Chancellor, Friedrich Merz, has persuaded lawmakers to exempt defence spending from deficit rules, giving him a theoretically unlimited defence budget. The Times’ Berlin correspondent Oliver Moody explains how fear of Donald Trump is motivating Germany as much as fear of Vladimir Putin. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to the world in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world.

  • This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • Today with me, Tom Noonan and Toby Gillis.

  • This week, Germany changed its constitution.

  • In a landmark move,

  • the country's politicians voted to make defence spending and aid to Ukraine exempt from laws that limit the public deficit.

  • It'll free up hundreds of billions of euros to fight against Vladimir Putin's Russia.

  • With the chairman of the SPD party declaring it is now our damned duty to defend this free and democratic Europe.

  • It has potentially very significant implications which we're going to explore with our guest today,

  • Oliver Moody, our Berlin correspondent who also covers European defence and NATO.

  • Oliver, why is this such a landmark decision?

  • It's a huge moment in two senses.

  • First of all, because it's just huge.

  • What we're talking about here is about half a trillion euros for infrastructure spending and then probably a similar amount that will be spent on defense,

  • although some of that infrastructure may be of military use.

  • For example, the railways in particular are very dilapidated,

  • but also things like bridges that need to be strengthened or motorways that need to be expanded.

  • But what they're really doing is lifting all restrictions on defence spending.

  • So it's theoretically unlimited.