Trump and Musk, the ‘Co-Presidents’

特朗普与马斯克,两位“共同总统”

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2025-02-19

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While Congress neuters itself, the two men are vying for total control of the American government.
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  • This is the Opinions,

  • a show that brings you a mix of voices from New York Times Opinion.

  • You've heard the news.

  • Here's what to make of it.

  • I'm Aaron Reticka, an editor at large for the Opinion section of the New York Times,

  • sitting with Jamel Bouie, a columnist for Times Opinion with whom I work very closely.

  • Before the election,

  • we worried a lot about what was going to happen if President Trump became president again.

  • We talked a few weeks ago,

  • and things were already looking pretty bad on the constitutional crisis front.

  • And we're talking again now, and I think it's safe to say things look even worse.

  • So, Jamel, thanks very much for taking the time to talk with me.

  • Always a pleasure.

  • Okay, so let's start with almost like a typology of executive power and how they're asserting it,

  • because we're seeing different things at the Justice Department.

  • We're seeing one kind of takeover.

  • The new Trump administration has fired federal prosecutors

  • at the Department of Justice who were involved in the criminal cases investigating President Trump

  • and his role in the January 6th Capitol riots.

  • Let's get right at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.