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Hello and welcome to Frontline for Times Radio with me, Kate Chabot.
And today we're catching up with a regular on Frontline, Professor Mark Galeotti.
Mark is a former advisor to the Foreign Office on Russian foreign and security policy.
He's the author of several books about Russia, and the latest is Forged in A Military History of Russia from its Beginnings to today.
Mark, great to see you again on Frontline.
Thank you for your time.
Your latest article for the Times newspaper is called Trump and Putin the Fragile Relationship that Will Change the World, where you examine what you describe as their on off bromance.
Can we just start by rewinding and having a little look at what the relationship was like during Trump's first presidency?
I mean, it was perverse.
I mean, I say in the article that Trump never seems to have met an autocrat that he didn't like, whether we're talking about Xi Jinping in China or Kim in North Korea.
But the Putin relationship was really quite something in that he kept talking up how well the relationship had been and was going to go whenever they met.
He often would like to have little sort of personal tete a tetes with Putin.
And inevitably this created all this kind of palaver about, you know, is he actually compromised by the Russians?