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10 in an increasingly uncertain world.
This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security today with me, Tom Noonan and Laura Cook.
It looks as though a key NATO member and ally of the United States is going to resist pressure from Donald Trump to increase defense spending.
We're talking here about the uk.
The new US President has said he wants NATO members to be spending 5% of GDP on defence by 2030.
Whether that's an opening gambit and he'd be willing to accept less is uncertain.
But even if he halved his demands to 2.5%, the Times has been told the UK would still disappoint him.
The UK is currently at 2.3%, but if it increased that even to 2.5% by the end of this decade, ministers think that that would require drastic cuts to other public services in the lead up to the next general election, which a senior government source has described as a non starter.
So if the UK says no to Trump, could other NATO members do the same?
And how significant could the consequences of that be?
Our guest today is Lord Dannett, a retired general who used to be head of the British Army.
Richard, you've got the British government or sources from it saying 2.5% isn't going to happen by 2030, let alone the 5% that Donald Trump is talking about.