Frontline special - Ambassador John E Herbst (Extended)

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  I'm Alex Dibble and I executive produce the podcast.

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  The World in 10 is partnered with Frontline, the interview series from Times radio, available on YouTube with expert analysis of the world's conflicts.

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  At the weekend, we bring you Frontline interviews in full.

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  Here's one from this week.

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  I.

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  I hope you find it interesting.

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  Hello and welcome to Frontline.

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  For Times Radio, I'm James Hanson and today I'm delighted to be joined by Ambassador John E.

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  Herbst, who served as U.S.

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  ambassador to Ukraine between 2003 and 2006.

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  He's now senior Director of the Eurasia Centre at the Atlantic Council.

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  Ambassador Herbst, welcome to Frontline.

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  I wanted to start by getting your reaction to Donald Trump's return to the White House.

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  Do you think Trump is the man to get meaningful concessions from Vladimir Putin?

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  I think that he has laid out a plan first, an objective to bring an end to Putin's aggression in Ukraine.

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  He wants to do it very quickly and he wants to do it by insisting that both Russia and Ukraine make compromises.

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  He's only been in office now for what, two days?

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  But in the post election period before he entered the White House, there's a great deal of information that's been released to the public about the elements of Trump's proposals.

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