Two Opinion Columnists on Melania Trump’s Memoir

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  Those have been the images associated with climate change.

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  This is the Opinions, a show that brings you a mix of voices from New York Times opinion.

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  You've heard the news.

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  Here's what to make of it.

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  Hi, I'm Carlos Lozada.

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  I'm a New York Times opinion columnist and co host of the Matter of Opinion podcast.

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  I am delighted to be joined by my friend and fellow columnist, Pamela Paul.

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  Hey, Carlos.

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  Good to see you, Pamela.

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  Good to be here.

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  So Pamela and I often just sit around and talk about books.

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  So that's what we're gonna do today.

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  In a prior life, I was a book critic at the Washington Post.

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  Pamela used to run the New York Times Book Review.

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  So this is kind of the thing that we enjoy doing.

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  And we both just read Melania Trump's new memoir.

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