Frontline special - The Times' Defence Correspondent George Grylls

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  Welcome to the world in 10 in an increasingly uncertain world.

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  This is the Times daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  I'm Alex Dibble and I executive produce the podcast.

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  The World in 10 is partnered with Frontline, the interview series from Times radio, available on YouTube with expert analysis of the world's conflicts.

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  At the weekend, we bring you Frontline interviews in full.

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  Here's one from this week.

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  Hello and welcome to Frontline.

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  For Times Radio, I'm James Hanson and today we're talking about the latest on the war in Ukraine and I'm delighted to be joined from Kyiv by the Times defence correspondent, George Grylls.

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  George, always a pleasure.

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  Welcome back.

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  Good morning.

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  Thanks for having me.

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  First of all, as someone who's been in Ukraine over recent days, and obviously you've been in the country a fair bit since the full scale invasion began, sum up the mood in Ukraine now compared to your previous visits, it's a.

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  Bit of an odd time because obviously we're over a month on from the election of Donald Trump and that completely changes the international picture.

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  But domestically it's still taking time, I would feel for Ukrainians to kind of accept these threats from Trump that they're going to withdraw aid, that there's going to be peace talks.

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  This is a country that's been at war for almost three years, really now, over two and a half years.

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  And the idea that it's going to stop overn is just not something that they're kind of considering at the moment, I would say, from the mood on the street.

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  And you know, early on this trip I went to a cemetery on the outskirts of Kyiv to kind of speak to bereaved families, because if anyone has a stake in what peace looks like in Ukraine, it's them.

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