How the Supreme Court Defeated Trump

最高法院如何击败特朗普

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-04-16

59 分钟
PDF

单集简介 ...

President Trump has tested the limits of presidential power since he returned to office — from his assertion of total control over federal agencies to his war in Iran. But so far, many of Trump’s most aggressive moves have been stopped by the Supreme Court.  My guest this week is Sarah Isgur, a conservative court watcher, who argues that the Supreme Court isn’t just a firewall against Donald Trump, but the real power center in American politics today. 0:00 - Intro 01:28 - Remaking the presidency: The hundred-year experiment 04:26 - Trump’s legal retribution campaign 09:15 - The Supreme Court’s strategy in the face of Trump 18:15 - “Looming" cases: Tariffs and birthright citizenship 28:23 - Supreme Court internal dynamics 43:32 - The future bench (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
更多

单集文稿 ...

  • I'm Dane Brugler.

  • I cover the NFL draft for The Athletic.

  • Our draft guide picked up the name The Beast because of the crazy amount of information that's included.

  • I'm looking at thousands of players putting together hundreds of scouting reports.

  • I've been covering this year's draft since last year's draft.

  • There is a lot in The Beast that you simply can't find anywhere else.

  • This is the kind of in-depth unique journalism you get from The Athletic and The New York Times.

  • You can subscribe at nytimes.com slash subscribe.

  • From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.

  • And this is Interesting Times.

  • President Trump has been testing the limits of presidential power since he returned to office.

  • From his assertion of total control over federal agencies to now his undeclared war with Iran.

  • But so far, many of Trump's most aggressive moves have ended in defeat,

  • usually in the courts and increasingly at the Supreme Court.

  • And it may be that a key revelation of his second

  • term is that the judicial branch is the real power center in American democracy right now.

  • That's the argument of this week's guest, Sarah Isgur, a conservative court watcher, a lawyer,

  • and the author of the new book, Last Branch Standing.

  • I wanted to talk to her about Trump's power grabs, the internal politics of the court,

  • and whether we should be reassured or troubled