Jamelle Bouie and I Debate Trump’s Failing Grade

我与杰梅尔·布伊就特朗普的失败成绩进行辩论

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-01-25

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President Trump’s aggressive return to the White House has been disruptive in ways that will continue to reshape American — and global — governance and politics for decades. At a live event with the Library Foundation of Los Angeles, I joined my colleague Jamelle Bouie and our boss, the Opinion editor, Kathleen Kingsbury, to break down the first year of Trump 2.0. This conversation originally aired as an episode of “The Opinions.” (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.
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  • Hey listeners, I'm here with a special bonus episode for you.

  • We're a year into the second Trump administration.

  • Only a year, even if it seems maybe a little bit longer

  • than that, and I've been thinking a lot about Trump's very specific unilateralist style of executive power,

  • and whether it means that all the crazy-seeming changes of the last year are really permanent and enduring,

  • or whether they're actually fragile and temporary.

  • So I was glad to sit down with my opinion colleague Jamel Bowie and our boss opinion

  • editor Kathleen Kingsbury this past week at an event hosted by the Los Angeles Public Library.

  • The three of us had a lively conversation about Trump 2.0 and how the country and the world have changed

  • or not changed as much as you might think since his second inauguration.

  • I think we covered a lot of ground, but you can be the judge.

  • Thank you all for being here tonight.

  • I'm excited to be in Los Angeles for this live conversation with opinion columnists Jamele Buoy and Ross Douthat.

  • It has been an eventful year, to say the least.

  • Given what's happened even in recent weeks, I wanted to start this discussion

  • with how President Trump is reshaping the world and the US's role in it.

  • Then we're gonna get into changes on the domestic front, how he's changed the country.

  • And finally, we'll touch on the upcoming midterm elections.

  • But first, I want to start by asking you both for the most consequential decision

  • President Trump has made in his first year back in office.