The Economist.
Military strategists have a famous rule of thumb: no plan survives the first five minutes of battle.
So what happens after that?
My guest today has spent a lot of time at that specific boundary,
at the moment when plans are just not enough to get you through.
Kevin Fong is an anaesthetist and an emergency doctor
who regularly works with the Air Ambulance Service in England.
He's also worked with NASA to understand how humans can better tolerate space flight.
And he was a clinical adviser to the National Health Service in Britain during COVID-19.
He's been in a lot of emergency situations, having to make life-or-death decisions in the moment.
Now, he's distilled what he's learned into a new book, "Minute Six".
There, he explores the nature of chaos and crisis, and how teams can cope with unpredictability.
I'm Alok Jha, and this is Babbage from The Economist.
Today, how to survive on the edge of chaos.
Kevin Fong, thank you very much for joining us on Babbage.
Great to be here.
You and I go way back.
Way back.
We've been through a lot of things together.
I've watched your career ascend to the edge of space and back.