The Ezra Klein Show: Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far

埃兹拉·克莱因秀:黄仁勋认为对人工智能的恐慌已过火

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2026-09-25

1 小时 48 分钟
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In this episode, Ezra travels to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., for a wide-ranging conversation with the chief executive Jensen Huang about the future of A.I. and why he thinks predictions of imminent doom are overblown.   Guests: Jensen Huang, chief executive of Nvidia   Additional Reading: A transcript and video of this episode can be found here.America’s A.I. Leaders Warn U.N. of Possible Peril Absent a Global ResponseAnthropic Releases a New A.I. Model, Opus 5.5, Amid Safety DebateWhat to Know About Recent A.I. Hacks at Google, Anthropic, OpenAI and MetaThe A.I. Party House Where Networking Has a Dark Side We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok.  Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • Hey, Hard Fork listeners, this is Ezra Klein.

  • The Hard Fork team is working on something new for this feed.

  • But in the meantime, they thought you'd enjoy this conversation I had with Jensen Huang, the founder and CEO of NVIDIA.

  • So here it is.

  • Over the course of these last few weeks where the whole world has been talking about artificial intelligence, the voices

  • people have been hearing most loudly are from the Frontier Labs, both their CEOs and leaders and their staffers.

  • These are the labs making the very advanced AI models like Claude and ChatGPT and Gemini and others.

  • But they're not the only perspective on AI.

  • Probably the single most influential person in artificial intelligence is Jensen Huang, the CEO of NVIDIA.

  • NVIDIA is now the largest company in the world, $5.4 trillion in market cap.