#469 — Escaping an Anti-Human Future

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  I'm here with Tristan Harris.

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  Tristan, it's great to see you again.

• 00:24

  Sam, it's great to be back with you.

• 00:26

  So you've been busy.

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  You've been busy worrying about social media for years and you created this, in part created this documentary,

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  the social dilemma, which it seems half of humanity saw.

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  We still have a problem with social media, I'll point out,

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  but you as much as anyone alerted us to the nature of the problem and are continuing on that front.

• 00:45

  But now you have added to your portfolio concerns about AI and there's this new documentary.

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  The AI doc, which I just saw, which is very super watchable and entertaining in its own way, but also very worrying.

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  And we'll talk about the reasons to be worried here and maybe some of the reasons

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  to be optimistic or at least cognizant of the upside should things go well.

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  But there's a lot to fear on the front of things not going well.

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  So let's just take it from the top.

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  But when did you start worrying about AI?

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  Yeah.

• 01:21

  Well, first, it's just good to be back with you, Sam,

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  because you really, in a way, helped launch my ability to speak on these topics with the 60 Minutes interview

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  that I did in 2017. And then I remember recording in that same hotel, our first podcast,

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  which actually really got a lot of attention back in the day about persuasive technology.

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