2024-12-18
26 分钟is this thing on yes this is an important message for listeners far and wide now is your chance to light up the brains on universe with a year and philanthropic donation your support will power the incredible podcasts moment of them forever ago smash boom best and brains on donate any amount today and you can choose to get stickers and a special thank you message from me your favorite brains on universe fan and alien friend do not wait jet over to brains on org slash donate joy it's so nice of you to give me my first job as a sandwich maker but why did you decide to set up your shop under water oh hey Mina I'm so happy to have your help I'm expecting huge crowds for the grand opening of hold the mayo joy sub sub shop it's a submarine sandwich shop that does not allow mayonnaise on anything and it's the first of its kind do you mean the first not to give its customers the option of the popular condiment mayonnaise yes but that's not all it's also the first submarine shop housed in an actual submarine under the ocean yeah about that um is there a lot of interest in underwater sandwiches without mayo right underwater sandwiches without mayo but won't the sandwiches get soggy and fall apart listen to this Mina okay lean in scientists know more about the surface of the moon than they do about what lies on the ocean floor there is so much untapped sandwich potential down here but joy how many passers-by are really going to want a sandwich as soon
as they find out about the strict no mayonnaise policy probably all of them we just need a way to tell the locals how delicious our food is so you mean we need to talk to fish exactly
if we can crack the code we'll be swimming in money get it swimming underwater I crack myself up but seriously we're gonna be so rich hmm one problem I don't think fish actually have money oh minor details you're listening to forever ago from APM studios I'm your host Joy Dolo and I'm here today with my co-host and new submarine sandwich shop partner Mina from Albany California hey Mina hi Joy Mina what's your favorite sandwich um probably just a basic PB and J or a basic things okay so the PB and J I mean there's so many options that you can have with that like the PB is it crunchy is it smooth smooth you like the smooth peanut butter yeah yeah and is there a kind of jelly that you have not really any anything that's sweet hey that's sweet you know when I was younger I grew up on that grape jelly like
that Concorde grape purple jelly you know have you had that before maybe I've had a lot of grape jellies lots of different kinds of jellies I got you okay Mina have you ever have you ever worked in a sandwich shop before Mina are you sure you never accidentally put on an apron and got behind a counter and threw together some turkey and cheese on a little rye oh yeah there was this one no all right well you know have you made a sandwich for someone before yes only like my brother when he just wants food all right so
since you have so much experience not in a restaurant setting what do you think will be a great menu item down here in the sub-sub shop a replacement for mayonnaise considering
that there's no mail like ketchup yes ketchup yes mustard yeah maybe maybe a nice a nice taco sauce maple syrup nothing like a hot baloney and maple syrup sandwich would you eat
that no we still got a lot of work to do speaking of I wonder when we're gonna get our first customer is
that a whale yeah and he looks hungry okay Dolo focus you can understand whale you can understand whale welcome to hold the Mayo sandwich shop what can I get for you hello you have back here I just wanted to swing by and welcome you to the neighborhood whoa I can understand whale I mean yes yes of course I can whales are mammals I'm a mammal of course it's not too different right hi Hugh I'm Mina and this is joy thanks
for stopping by is it this easy to communicate with all undersea creatures does an octopus lose at hide-and-seek our shrimp allergic to shellfish our clownfish funny no no and surprisingly no and you my friends do not speak whale I speak English gotcha make sense and my nearly 75 years in this big blue ocean I've seen lots of things including a set of laminated encyclopedias which helped me learn to read then I spent a decade or so swimming next to cruise ships and eavesdropping on the humans conversations I picked up the language pretty quick actually Hugh you look familiar to me did you pose for a line of t-shirts back in the early 1990s hmm let me think it was baby blue and it said save the whales on it oh I've seen
that phrase all over the place yeah the shirt had a picture of a whale majestically jumping out of the water it looked just like you that was totally mean those were my whale modeling days huh what a trip so Hugh have people always been obsessed with whales yes but not always in a good way whales used to be hunted it's estimated
that there were only a few thousand humpback whales left in the world at one point whoa seriously seriously but whale hunting is much less common these days so humpback whales are doing much better there are like 80,000 of us now anyway I what's with all the angel fish just some adoring fans they want me to sing a little hold on this will only take a sec that was beautiful yeah your voice is amazing yeah us humpback whales have been singing songs like that for the last I don't know 50 million years so we've had a lot of time to practice of course you may recognize my voice from the record I was on in the 1970s songs of the humpback whale hold the mail you were on a record those flat pizza-sized discs with little grooves on them that people use to listen to music yes that record is one of the main reasons us whales have survived on this planet after a human scientist named Roger Payne heard our voices he tried to get as many people as possible to listen and it was such a hit it inspired humans to come up with phrases like save the whales and make new laws to protect us okay now I have to know everything done and done I love to hear myself talk say joy hmm do you have Wi-Fi on this sub I want to connect my phone of course and you have a phone there are so many doubt here people drop them all the time trying to get my pick on whale watching tours now I have a little video I want to play it's about Marie fish a fish named Marie actually she was a human
like you she was a real historical person and her last name just happened to be fish oh okay I got it Marie let the world in on a secret the oceans are full of sounds and speaking of secrets joy the Wi-Fi password oh yeah it's lowercase ma y zero underscore capital H the number eight lowercase t number three lowercase are she's joy you really don't like mail okay I'm connected check it out the year was 1946 the skies were filled with commercial airplanes and people dressed up in real fancy clothes to fly big band jazz ruled the radio the US and its allies at just one World War two a huge war where lots of battles were fought using submarines even
though the war was over the US Navy was still on high alert they were on the lookout for enemy submarines enter biologist Marie fish hello yes 1946 was when the Navy asked for my help to tell the difference between submarine sounds and sea creature sounds until then most people didn't think there was much noise under the surface of the ocean at all I used special underwater microphones called hydrophones to record the deep and what I heard was astounding far from quiet the ocean was alive with chatter I recorded and catalogued everything from the sounds of seahorses to spotted goatfish overall I was able to identify the sounds of 180 different kinds of fish splish splash I just got a notification
that there's a new episode of brains on and it's all about whales good timing looks like their episode is all about whale communication glad I'm subscribed so did biologist Marie fish help record the album you were on no that didn't happen for another couple decades with the help of Roger Payne oh yeah of course famous music producer Roger Payne I've totally totally heard of him before actually he was another biologist looking for a way to help whales ah yes I met Roger Payne the famous biologist of course yes of course why did whales need help well around the time Marie fish was recording all those sea creatures with her underwater microphone things weren't looking too good for us whales
as I mentioned humans had been hunting whales for thousands of years they called it whaling honestly I don't even like saying that word oh I've heard about this they would use whale fat or blubber to make oil and oil was used in all sorts of things like soap and margarine and it was an especially big deal before natural gas and electricity were discovered in the 1800s people also used the blubber oil to make candles and oil-burning lamps yes
like I said not good by the 1950s whaling had become a huge business for countries like the United States Japan Norway and Iceland I'm guessing this is before the phrase save the whales became popular that's right those were some dark days for us whales humans needed to see whales as more than oil-making blubber machines before they would stop hunting us Roger Payne knew this and he knew humans were suckers for a great song oh who doesn't love a great song but before we get to
that let's take a break and play this is the game where we take three things from history and try to put them in order of which came first second and most recent in time today we have three stories with whales in them we've got Pinocchio Moby Dick and 20,000 Leagues under the seas Mina have you read any of these stories not many of them but I know the main plot for some of them yeah yeah that's cool that's right I know Pinocchio I know
that because of Disney and then Moby Dick and 20,000 Leagues under the seas I've never read it but I've heard of it before out of these three which do you think came first which came second and which came most recently in history well I know they're all very old like yes they seem old probably Moby Dick first
because it includes I think it includes whale hunting and that seemed a while ago yeah yeah then probably 20,000 Leagues under the seas
because not that much logic behind it but yeah probably that a second they're all really old and most recently Pinocchio