A City Walks Into an Investigation

This American Life

社会与文化

2022-01-28

54 分钟
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Last week's story continues, about a Michigan couple who walked into a police officer's house and made a disturbing discovery. This week: the police officer suffers the consequences and so does the couple. Prologue: Ira summarizes part one of our story. (8 minutes) Chief Lewis Adds It Up: The police chief in Muskegon conducts his own personal investigation into Officer Anderson’s interactions with Black people on the job. He doesn’t like what he discovers. (6  minutes) The Way It Actually Happened: Officer Anderson is fired based on the chief’s findings. But that’s not what’s said publicly. In fact, the official investigation released by the city makes no mention of Officer Anderson’s history with Black residents in Muskegon, much to the chagrin of some of the Black residents of Muskegon. (3 minutes) How To Fire a Police Officer: Muskegon’s chief of police explains why he decided he couldn’t mention any of the stuff he found troubling about Officer Anderson’s treatment of Black people on the job. No regrets! (6 minutes) People Who Got the Short End of Anderson’s Deal: Duke Stalling, whose mother’s birthday party was pepper sprayed by Officer Anderson when he showed up on a noise complaint, reacts to the city’s deal with Anderson. (6 minutes) No Good Deed Goes Unpunished: Turns out, the couple who originally brought Officer Anderson into the spotlight with their Facebook post had encountered Anderson before in Muskegon. Specifically, at a traffic stop where things got ugly. This is publicized in the city’s official report on Anderson, and the Mathises suffer further threats and harassment as a result. (13 minutes) Was It Worth It?: The Mathises consider if going public with what they found in Officer Anderson’s house was worth it, given what their personal lives have been like since. (5 minutes) Coda: Ira and Ben consider how officers could be flagged for bad policing in a more systematic way, rather than the freak occurrence of a couple walking into an officer’s home and finding a KKK application up on his wall. (7 minutes)
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  • A quick warning.

  • There are curse words that are unbeeped in today's episode of the show.

  • If you prefer a beeped version, you can find that at our website, thisamericanlife.org.

  • From WBEZ Chicago, it's this American Life.

  • I'm Ira Glass.

  • Okay, let me catch you up.

  • If you didn't hear last week's show, we are picking up that story this week.

  • And if you didn't hear it, I can bring you up to speed very quickly.

  • Okay, there's a couple, the Mathes, Rob and Raina.

  • And they're looking for a house, and they tour a pretty nice one.

  • But then they see some Confederate flags in the downstairs rooms.

  • They go upstairs, and in a bedroom, there's something in a picture frame on the wall.

  • So I look up at the picture, and I lean in and look at it.

  • I'm like, are you kidding me?

  • This is a KKK application.

  • All of a sudden, I hear him cussing and coming down the stairs, and he's like, we gotta go now.

  • Turns out the house and the Confederate flags and the KKK application were owned by a police officer named Charles Anderson.

  • He was on the police force in their town, Muskegon, Michigan, which is a town of 38,000 on the western side of Michigan, like, right on the lake.

  • Mathes decide they're going to go public with this discovery, mostly because Rob thinks if someday this officer pulls over a black couple and does something horrible, he doesn't want to wish that he had said something.

  • He wants to warn people.