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From WBEC Chicago, it's this American Life.
I'm Ira Glass.
So Nancy Updike has been a producer making stories here at this American Life, starting with our very first episode back in the 1990s.
And when Nancy takes on a big story, it is very exciting for me and the other producers here because nobody writes or reports a story the way that Nancy does.
She just throws you in there with the people that she's writing about, and you're in so deep so quickly, and there's this just intimacy to it.
It's got such a feeling to it.
And she has a new podcast.
It is called We Were three.
She made it with her co workers who make cereal.
And today on the show, I'm gonna play you the first episode of her podcast, and you'll hear what I'm talking about for yourself.
That's gonna be the first big chunk of today's show.
And then after that, we have another story for you of somebody who is digging around in their family's past, like the woman who's at the center of Nancy's story.
And, you know, just.
Let's just get to it.
You know, I think actually saying more about Nancy's story will not add to the listening experience of it.
So here's Nancy Updike, Rachel McKibbens, and.
Her dad, Pete Camacho stopped talking and resumed talking many times over the course of her life.