Eddie Fishman: Understanding Iran

爱迪·费什曼:理解伊朗

What Now? with Trevor Noah

2026-06-11

1 小时 48 分钟
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Trevor and Eugene sit down with former State Department official and international sanctions expert Eddie Fishman to unpack the hidden mechanics of global power. Using Iran as a lens, Eddie explains how economic sanctions became one of America's favorite foreign policy tools, why they're often seen as an alternative to war, and what happens when those plans collide with the realities of the world they're meant to change.   Along the way, the trio explore unintended consequences, international hypocrisy, and the stubborn truth that people, countries, and history rarely cooperate with anyone's grand strategy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • This is one of the, I think, honestly tragic lessons of recent history is, you know, the countries

  • that have given up nuclear weapons or that have developed some parts of a nuclear program

  • but then didn't cross the threshold have actually fared a lot worse than the countries

  • that have developed nuclear weapons, right?

  • I mean, this is...

  • Damn, Eddie.

  • That's a crazy paradox when you think about it.

  • Yeah.

  • I think there's an incentive.

  • I mean, if you look at Gaddafi, right?

  • I mean, the Libyans...

  • That's a crazy paradox when you think about it.

  • Everyone who didn't get a nuke, look what happened to them.

  • Look what happened.

  • But you don't want them to get a nuke,

  • but if you don't get a nuke, you might want to get a nuke, Eugene.

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