2024-11-15
38 分钟Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.
I'm head of programming Connor Boyle for this episode.
We're rejoining for part two of our conversation with Tim Marshall, the global affairs journalist turned bestselling author of books such as Prisoners of Geography and his newest title, the Future of How Power and Politics in Space Will Change Our World.
Tim was live on stage recently at London's Cadogan hall, joined by science communicator and presenter Helen Cirsky.
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Now let's rejoin our host, Helen Czerski live on stage in conversation with Tim Marshall.
So let's pick up on that on Crimea and you know, those regions of Ukraine which are, you know, currently there was some movement and now the bits that Russia controls are the Crimea and then these kind of bits around the edge, basically.
Is that like from a geographical point of view does, if, I mean, it's unclear whether Russia is going to end up holding any of those regions.
But from a geographical point of view, is there a natural border anywhere in there?
And if so, where is it?
There's a natural border, but you know, there's a, there's a limit to how much natural border should dictate.
During the French Revolution, actually when Napoleon took over, one of his generals was saying we have a natural frame, we shouldn't go beyond it, which is the Pyrenees, the ocean, the Rhine and then the sea at the top.
And that's your lot.
You know, there is this natural, I mean Spain is the shape it is because of a mountain, a river and two seas, et cetera, et cetera.
The natural border is Kyiv is the river.
So it's much further west than anything at the moment.
And it runs all, you know, the major river runs all the Dnipro.
That's the natural frontier.