#882: Why Kids Can Learn 10x Faster Than We Think — Niels Hoven of Mentava (Tim Coaching Session)

为什么孩子能比我们想象的快10倍地学习——Mentava的Niels Hoven(时间辅导课程)

The Tim Ferriss Show

2026-09-11

2 小时 13 分钟
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This episode is a bit different. It's a live, unscripted working session with a founder, and I've only done one other earlier this year. Niels Hoven (@NielsHoven) is the founder and CEO of Mentava, a company building software to support fast learners. Eager kids are dramatically underserved by today's education system, and Niels created Mentava to allow students to achieve their potential. Prior to Mentava, Niels worked at Cloudflare, ClassDojo, and Pocket Gems, where he ran the highest-grossing mobile game in the world in 2011. He has a graduate degree in electrical engineering from UC Berkeley. This episode is brought to you by: Fin powerful AI Agent for all your customer service: Fin.Ai/TimShopify global commerce platform, providing tools to start, grow, market, and manage a retail business: Shopify.com/TimWealthfront high-yield cash account: Wealthfront.com/TimNew clients get 3.30% base APY from program banks + additional 0.75% boost for 3 months on your uninvested cash (max $150k balance). Terms and conditions apply. The Cash Account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC (“WFB”) member FINRA/SIPC, not a bank. The base APY as of 1/30/26 is representative, can change, and requires no minimum. Tim Ferriss, a non-client, receives compensation from WFB for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of WFB, which creates a conflict of interest. Individual experiences and outcomes will differ. Instant withdrawals may be limited by your receiving firm and other factors. Investment advisory services provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, not bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. Timestamps: [00:00:00] Start. [00:01:32] What Mentava is—and the toddlers reading before age three. [00:08:31] Game design, slot-machine motivation, and lowering the hoop. [00:11:54] Tim's red pen: rewriting the bio and positioning. [00:16:59] The real problem: wasted early years, high-school pressure. [00:23:55] Learning at your own pace—and "what if you did nothing?" [00:29:32] Dog-fish, fish-dog: readiness, failed trials, and follow-ups. [00:35:06] The $500 price, school pilots, and videos-for-tuition scholarships. [00:41:39] Teach a kid to fish: selling relief, not nagging. [00:47:49] Viral posts, the culture-war trap, and why exaggeration is death. [00:55:05] Put the ask on top: investor updates and what actually converts. [00:59:35] The thirty-year phonics war—and it's not with teachers. [01:01:10] A $1,000 coupon, zero takers: why the referral bribe flopped. [01:08:04] Lead with the love letters: testimonials, homepage, and who's buying. [01:20:03] "No scam charges $500 a month": pricing and who you're not for. [01:34:16] Uncrowded channels and workshopping like a standup. [01:42:08] Don't let Amazon be your debutante ball: testing what sells. [01:46:42] Alpha School, the competitive map, and the eager investor. [01:48:39] Reaching the already-converted: be the painkiller, TiE, surround sound. [02:08:18] Niels's charge: advocate for your child, unapologetically. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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  • Niels, nice to see you.

  • Thanks for making the time.

  • Looking forward to this.

  • Thanks so much.

  • I appreciate the chance to be here.

  • Absolutely.

  • And it was fun for me to...

  • Take a trip down memory lane in a sense, because I remember

  • exactly where I was when we first had our very initial long conversation about Mentava and I got super amped.

  • I was in British Columbia walking around a friend's cabin.

  • I remember exactly right next to a river, freezing cold outside, snow on the ground

  • and digging back into the website, looking at the testimonials, watching some of the videos of kids.

  • I was like, Yes, I remember very clearly why I invested so long ago.

  • It feels like ages ago.

  • It was quite a while back.

  • And we will get to the bio.

  • I actually want to use part of this working session to go through the bio as I have it here,

  • intended for me to read, because I think the wordsmithing may apply to other places, including the website.

  • Including potentially paid acquisition.

  • But before we get to that, let's hear it from your mouth.