An Expert on Conflict Says Your Relationships Are Doomed Without It

冲突专家表示,没有它,你的关系注定会失败。

The Interview

2026-08-22

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The author Priya Parker says the key to human connection is to lean into the fight. Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.com Watch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcast For transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • I'm David Marchese, and today I'm interviewing conflict resolution facilitator and author Priya Parker.

  • For many of us, myself included, conflict, be it at work or at home or in society, feels like something to avoid.

  • It's combustible, irresolvable, or just plain uncomfortable.

  • But in her new book, The Art of Fighting, Parker argues

  • that we should fight more and learn how to do it well.

  • Parker, who also wrote the best-selling 2018 book, The Art of Gathering, is drawing on her work mediating

  • conflict on college campuses, at Fortune 500 companies, in cultural institutions, and within families.

  • So how and when should we fight?

  • Here's my conversation with Priya Parker.

  • But first, a quick message.

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