Michael Kratsios: Trump's Science Agenda, Anti-Science Claims, Fauci's Damage, DEI & China

迈克尔·克拉齐奥斯:特朗普的科学议程、反科学主张、福奇造成的损害、DEI与中国

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

2026-08-25

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(0:00) Michael Kratsios joins the show! (01:56) Is this administration anti-science? The Nature poll, DEI grants, and $8B down the drain  (8:16) Climate science cuts: RCP 8.5 gets pulled and the "climate emergency" narrative collapses (13:45) $47B at NIH, Eroom's Law, and golden tickets: has American science stagnated?  (22:24) Big bold bets: Genesis Mission, quantum by 2028, fusion by 2035, boots on the moon in '28  (34:04) The great race with China: $33B to $670B, and 7 out of 10 STEM PhDs aren't American  (44:09) Fauci did more damage to science than anyone in modern history, and NIH's median researcher is 71 Follow the besties:  https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg   Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod   Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod   Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@allin   Follow on LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod   Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg   Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect #allin #tech #news
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  • Is this administration anti-science?

  • We want to essentially double the scientific output of the United States.

  • Did we lose it or did it lead to moments where you have like Fauci?

  • That's a great question.

  • Are we in this moment, this populist moment right now in the West where science

  • and technology is viewed as a tool of the elite and therefore it must be broken and destroyed?

  • That's what's most tragic.

  • That is a crazy, crazy fact.

  • Has science stagnated in America and what the heck is going on?

  • Michael Kratios, welcome to the All In Interview.

  • Thank you for having me.

  • Excited to be here.

  • So you are the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy here at the White House.

  • Can you just tell me a little bit about what that role is?

  • What do you do here?

  • Yeah, so the Office of Science

  • and Technology Policy was created in the 60s to coordinate science and tech policy across the administration.

  • So very unique to the U.S.

  • Is that we don't have an agency that does science and technology.

  • We have lots of agencies that do pieces of the science and technology enterprise.