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In today's episode, you're going to hear an extended conversation between me, Mariana Spring, BBC disinformation and social media correspondent, and Matt Jukes, who is the head of counterterrorism policing in the UK.
He's assistant commissioner at the Metropolitan Police, and he wanted to talk to us at length about his work, about what the police have been doing, about the interaction between the riots we had in the UK earlier in the summer and social media and just how the social media companies operate and whether they're regulated enough.
And it's a very interesting conversation from somebody you don't hear from a lot.
So we thought we would give that plenty of space.