Are Human Drivers Finally Obsolete?

人类驾驶员是否终将淘汰?

Freakonomics Radio

2026-03-20

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How a secret project at Google led to driverless cars on American roads.  Freakonomics Radio shares a story from our friends at Search Engine. (Part one of a two-part series.)   SOURCES: Alex Davies, author of Driven: The Race To Create the Autonomous Car. Chris Urmson, co-founder and C.E.O. of Aurora. Don Burnette, founder and C.E.O. of Kodiak AI. PJ Vogt, reporter, writer, and host of the Search Engine podcast. Sebastian Thrun, roboticist, C.E.O. of Sage AI Labs, adjunct faculty at Stanford University. Timothy B. Lee, author of Understanding AI newsletter.   RESOURCES: "Very few of Waymo’s most serious crashes were Waymo’s fault," by Kai Williams (Understand AI, 2025). Driven: The Race to Create the Autonomous Car, by Alex Davies (2021). "An Oral History of the Darpa Grand Challenge, the Grueling Robot Race That Launched the Self-Driving Car," by Alex Davies (WIRED, 2017). Understanding AI, newsletter on Substack. Waymo Safety Dashboard.   EXTRAS: "The Fascinatingly Mundane Secrets of the World’s Most Exclusive Nightclub," by Freakonomics Radio (2024). Search Engine, podcast by PJ Vogt. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • PJ, how have you been?

  • I've been good.

  • How have you been?

  • Yeah, I'm a little better now having listened to your series.

  • I love it.

  • Oh, thank you.

  • Do you recognize that voice?

  • It is PJ Vogt, host of the podcast Search Engine and friend of Freakonomics Radio.

  • You may remember hearing him back in 2024 when we published a Search Engine

  • episode called The Fascinatingly Mundane Secrets of the World's Most Exclusive Nightclub about Berghain in Berlin.

  • That was a great story.

  • And not too long ago, PJ came to us with another one.