2026-05-11
2 小时 28 分钟In my own research, we have shown that if we can get people to think about their whys,
the purposes behind their decisions, the broader purposes behind what they 're doing,
they 're much more likely to be able to overcome the temptation.
So if there 's a piece of chocolate cake in front of me and I'm trying not to eat it,
if you said, oh, I'm not supposed to eat that because I'm on a diet, that does n't have much magic to it.
But if instead I'm saying things like, I need to do this for my family.
I want to look good for my children's wedding photos or, you know, my children are looking at me.
I want to be a good example or all these other kinds of reasons that you might,
these higher order reasons that you might have for getting healthier, being fitter or whatever, not eating the cake.
We show that increases the odds that people will avoid the cake.
And we think it's because it's giving people meaning.
These are higher order things that I care about and these are what's going to motivate me to hold out.
Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
My guest today is Dr. Kentaro Fujita, professor of psychology at Ohio State University and an expert
in the science of self-control and motivation.
If you 're somebody who has ever struggled with procrastination,
sticking to a goal, or coming up with the goals for your life, today's episode is for you.
We start off today's discussion talking about the famous two marshmallow experiment,
the one where they placed kids in a room with a marshmallow and told them that if they delayed gratification