'The Interview': Ayana Elizabeth Johnson Has an Antidote to Our Climate Delusions

“采访”:阿亚娜·伊丽莎白·约翰逊对我们的气候问题有解药

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2024-05-18

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The scientist talks to David Marchese about how to overcome the “soft” climate denial that keeps us buying junk.
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  • Hey, everybody, it's Sabrina just popping in here to remind you that every weekend on Saturday, we're going to be sending you episodes of a new show our colleagues are making.

  • The show is called the interview.

  • This week on the show, David Marchese talks with scientist Ayanna Elizabeth Johnson.

  • Okay, here's the show.

  • From the New York Times.

  • This is the interview.

  • I'm David Marchese.

  • Back in 2018, a big climate report came out that really shook me.

  • It painted a pretty dire picture of where we're heading, a climate that will likely warm by at least one and a half degrees celsius by 2040.

  • And it was a grim warning of what things will look like if we don't reverse course.

  • It now seems probable that we're going to blow past those climate targets, and that's led to a lot of climate fear, pessimism and activism rooted in anger.

  • But recently, there's been a growing counter response to those darker feelings, including from some experts who have a clear view on what's coming.

  • And that response is a cautious optimism, though she doesn't go so far as to call herself hopefully.